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http://kabowiki.org/pics/Pic.320.png The day-page-set for the talk in the en-obm-center-wiki
Read the page talk, explained.

The talk in which wikis do we listen to? Who is listening to the talk in the en-obm-center-wiki? See the wiki-net talk wiki-net talk.

edit the day-page talk for today edit the day-page talk for today

2010-09-14 Talk

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test of feed inclusion

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
Feed inclusion currently doesn’t work in the [[obm-wiki-hive?]]. I probably added too many feeds (too many for the current set up, see WikiNetGrid). This is a test.


2010-08-06 Talk

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the best-about-feeds, a community selection

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
Hm. What I did was to include merged searches for blogs or videos on a specific keyword into the xxx complete of a wiki. That’s far to much noise. What I also did was to set up the pages best blogs about xxx and best videos about xxx containing a “community selection”. What I need to do now is to is to make the best … about … pages day-page-sets and use their feeds instead of the noisy feeds. Everybody can edit the feeds. Wiki.


2010-07-30 Talk

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test post after failed experiment of feeding twitterlive with twitter

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
Deactivated feedburner publicize, socialize twitter. Removed google/twitter integration in twitter - en-obm-center-wiki. Deleted in twitterlive channel triggered by twitter and reactivated the channel triggered by the soup. Deleted ~ 14 looped posts in the friendfeed - group en-obm-center-wiki changes, the user acount friendfeed - en-obm-center-wiki and [[google_-_buzz_en-obm-center-wiki?]]. Should be all back to normal now. This is a test post.


2010-07-26 Talk

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feeding twitterlive with twitter experiment

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
The soup is burned in feedburner. In feedburner ‘soup, atom’, Publicize, Socialize I activated triggering [[twitter_-_obm-list-wiki?]]. The feed for the twitter account again via feedburner now triggers ping.fm. Before it had been the soup-feed. I hope the posts displaying html return to normal. See what happens.

Works better but still there is some displayed html remaining. Posts shortened links for both the soup and the twitter page which is a waste of space. Well.

MattisManzel? 2010-07-30:
This caused a loop, sorry for that. Removed triggering twitterlive with twitter and set it back to triggering with soup.io. Pueh!


2010-07-15 Talk

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Aargh!

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
Aargh! For some reason friendfeed inserts Mµs tagged #MultiLingual into the page [[multilingual-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]. A) I don’t see why. B) I don’t like it. C) Aargh!

The feed http://feeds.feedburner.com/Kabo/MultiLingualWiki/ChangesDirectAtom included into the [[friendfeed_-_group_multilingual-wiki_changes?]] contains no Mµs. Friendfeed somehow adds Mµs. No good.

2010-07-16, Mattis Manzel:
Recreated the group on friendfeed logged in as [[friendfeed_-_multilingual-wiki?]] and now everything is fine. Sorry for the panic. Such makes me nervous.


2010-07-11 Talk

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feeding twitterlive with the soup, atom

MattisManzel?:
I’m feeding twitterlive with http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/SoupAtom instead of the soup-feed to see if something changes. If something changes what is it that changes?
Experiments.


2010-07-09 Talk

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sorry for the current posts displaying html

MattisManzel?:
At least the changes, explained update now! The DirectAtom setting updates with a delay of ~ a hand full of hours though, but it does!

The current posts in html on [[identi.ca_en-obm-center-wiki?]], friendfeed en-obm-center-wiki, etc seem to be due to a problem with twitterlive, but as usual I have to experiment to be able to tell better. Sorry for these posts. I guess we’ll find a solution.

[Tag:TwitterLive?]


2010-07-07 Talk

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more update tests

MattisManzel?:
As expected none of the current settings update. I’ll manually refresh the friendfeed groups to see which of them update

  • [[carrotmob-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct plain no shot
  • [[eTerra-wiki-en_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct smart
  • [[Greenland-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct (rss)
  • [[en-obm-center-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct atom
  • [[world-democracy-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct plain

Nothing updates. I love it ;)

The current setting for the world-democracy-wiki have been changed to directly importing the [[world-democracy-wiki_-_changes-feed,_direct?]] into the [[friendfeed_-_group_world-democracy-wiki_changes?]]. Doesn’t update.

The current setting for the Geenland-wiki have been changed to importing the [[Greenland-wiki_-_changes-feed,_direct?]] burned in feedburner http://feeds.feedburner.com/Kabo/GreenlandWiki/ChangesDirect (convert to rss, pingshot activated) into the [[friendfeed_-_group_Greenland-wiki_changes?]]. Doesn’t update.


2010-07-06 Talk

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MattisManzel?:
This is a test if day-page-sets update.


2010-07-04 Talk

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The en-obm-center-wiki is used as a temporary substitute for the ‘wiki-net’. About update problems

MattisManzel?:
In the [[odd-wiki-hive?]] the local names have been deactivated. The wikis in it making part of the wiki-net have to be moved to a new server. The [['wiki-net'?]] for discussion and experiments in the wiki-net sits in this hive. Moving to a new server (the doo-wiki-hive) might take a while. For now we’ll use the [[en-obm-center-wiki?]] as a substitute for the [['wiki-net'?]].

Let me right away start with the current “eye of the needle” update problem:

The feed for the recent changes is generated by the oddmuse software.

http://obmwiki.org/hive/EnObmCenter?action=rss

I call it [[changes-feed,_direct?]].

The [[changes-feed,_direct?]] is included into the friendfeed - group en-obm-center-wiki changes. The friendfeed group triggers the [[friendfeed_-_list_en-obm-center-wiki_changes?]]. The friendfeed list provides a valid atom 1.0 feed:

http://friendfeed.com/list/en-obm-center-wiki---changes?auth=A6WQVrCIPB5Is149&format=atom

That feed is burned in feedburner into the changes-feed [1] (click a number for the validation of a feed) included into the page changes, explained and the soup. It displays the logo for the en-obm-center-wiki and allows for comments via friendfeed. So far so good.

Problematic is the first step: Oddmuse’s feed for the changes into friendfeed. I do not find a combination of settings that updates sufficiently. I tried:

The direct feed: http://obmwiki.org/hive/EnObmCenter?action=rss [2] It doesn’t update.

The direct feed burned in all kind of combinations of settings in feedburner.

changes, direct http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/ChangesDirect [3] convert format to rss, pingshot activated.

changes, direct no shot http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/ChangesDirectNoShot [4] convert format burner to rss, pingshot deactivated

changes, direct atom http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/ChangesDirectAtom [5] convert format burner to atom, pingshot activated

changes, direct atom no shot http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/ObmListWiki/ChangesDirectAtomNoShot [6] convert format burner to atom, pingshot deactivated

changes, direct smart http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/ChangesDirectSmart [7] convert to feedburner’s SmartFeed, pingshot activated

changes, direct smart no shot http://feeds.feedburner.com/Obm/EnObmCenterWiki/ChangesDirectSmartNoShot [8] convert to feedburner’s SmartFeed, pingshot deactivated

Darn update-dragon! I haven’t quite tried out the settings with the pingshot deactivated yet. But I can’t imagine they help, actually. And the other settings do not update. Any ideas about what else could probably (not) help?

Before adding friendfeed I tried to directly include the [[changes-feed,_direct?]] into soup.io. Similar problems, no combination of settings in feedburner helped. It’s probably something wrong with oddmuse’s feed.

The five wikis in the wiki-net currently state-of-the-art that I’m testing settings in:

  • [[carrotmob-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct plain no shot (no conversion, no pingshot, doesn’t update)
  • [[eTerra-wiki-en_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct smart
  • [[Greenland-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct atom
  • [[en-obm-center-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct atom
  • [[world-democracy-wiki_-_changes,_explained?]]
    current setting direct plain (no conversion, doesn’t update)


2009-02-02 Talk

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Hello!! How is everyone doing? I am a new member and I would like to introduce myself. My name Is BJ Penn and I am from Mdison USA.

That is all for now. I am eager to interact with everyone one this forum!


2008-12-10 Talk

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Hello

I’ve just registered to say your site is very useful and nicely done! Thank you very much for your work.

Cheers!

Sorry for offtopic.

[[Mattis_Manzel?]]:
No problem, as there is no off topic. And there is no registration on [[Oddmuse?]] either. Now go back to bed.


2008-12-07 Talk

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Я подписался на вашу RSS ленту, но сообщения почему-то в виде каких-то квадратов :( Как это исправить?

MattisManzel?:
Hi. Thanks for trying. Where did you insert the rss-feed that only results in little squares for you? URL. I’m sure we can fix it.


2008-09-01 Talk

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MattisManzel?:
Thanks a lot, Sam, for fixing the [[en-obm-center-wiki?]]. Yeah!


2007-12-20 Talk

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whish-list

MattisManzel?:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AutoLink

Does such exist for Oddmuse? Yes.

Called link all
http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/viewvc/oddmuse/modules/link-all.pl?revision=1.6.2.1&root=oddmuse&view=markup

PlainTextWiki?

A page AutoLinks? per hive with 40 or 60 entries per hive should do. Starting new hive with AutoLinks? activated to play around and learn.

Not one OddWiki:WikiNet/WikiNetServer but one per hive. And hives communicate the freenet style, decentralized.

What communication has been going on between person A, B and C in the wiki-net during the last 10 days? Such should be requestable.

Make a WhishList?. Where? Hmm.

Probably OddWiki:HiveWiki/WhishListOddmuse? which kind of leads into OddWiki:HiveWiki/WhishListMediawiki, OddWiki:HiveWiki/WhishListMoinMoin etc. A wish-list-Oddmuse-feed, a whish-list-Mediawiki-feed, a whish-list-MoinMoin-feed. And a whish-list-feed merging them all. Hmm.

Mattis also wrote: How often do people within the “hive” talk to each other? would be good to be able to see some form of metric for this…


2007-11-23 Talk

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On the page http://obmwiki.org/hive/FrontPage , when I hit the “View other revisions” link, I only see the current version.

I expected to see a bunch of revisions, since I thought I saw that page mentioned a bunch in the change log.

(Is this the right place to post bug reports?)

David, the FrontPage at http://obmwiki.org/hive/FrontPage probably has not been changed for a while. I think I have the OddMuse? config on these wikis set to clear out the history after a few months, so RecentChanges and revisions will disappear after a while.

I suppose I can change that, if you want. I was doing it mostly for the economy of storage on this server, but I suppose the server can handle storing the data (I have about 10 GB of space, and I think this WikiHive? is using about 2 of the 10 GB) (ps it’s fine to post any message here on talk) – SamRose?


2007-10-17 Talk

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import / export

MattisManzel?:
Yo! The import requests and the export offers. And wiki-net import requests and wiki-net export offers. I’m sure about them - wikis are nomads. There must be coagulation, wikis will feel best among peers, hives must develop their own scent which will attract wikis to be imported and which will “hive off” other wikis to be exported.
But I’m not sure about these pages being best palaced in the wiki-center-en. They rather should be on the main-wiki. That now is multilingual and I’m currently to lazy to do that. I might move them later. Maybe the ObmList:FrontPage is appropriate?

SamRose?:

Mattis, please feel free to move wherever you want to, an experiment with different placement. I think making it visible is a good, as you suggest.

rediscovering WikiNetRequests, interesting.


2007-10-06 Talk

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http://obmwiki.org/hive/EnObmCenter/AllFeeds

This is awesome as a community tool. I like the symbols. MattisManzel?, you are on the right track here, I think. – SamRose?


2007-09-16 Talk

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The server that OBM wiki hive is on will be downfrom 9-12 PM EST tonight. Shoud be back to normal right after webhost is done with reboot maintenance. – SamRose?


2007-08-10 Talk

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Why do the “changements” on wine-camp-wiki-fr look so nice?

MattisManzel?:
It’s a known problem that the listing of the changes does not begin before the end of the SideBar. Adding to the side-bar enlarges the distance between text and listing and is ugly.
Adding the feed icons on WineCampFr:SideBar something nice happened that I unfortunately do not understand - despite some experimenting to figure out. On WineCampFr:changements the listing starts right below the text. It’s cool and I’d love to make it work on all wikis. Someone understands why? Someone can fix SlCamp:SideBar making SlCamp:changes look just as nice for example?

The two very right feed-icons on the SlCamp:SideBar are glued to the very right. That’s ok for the licence icon but ugly in the feed section. Is there a more elegant way to move them a millimeter or two towards the middle of the side-bar than adding a little transparent pic behind them. Even if not a demonstration would help me.

Thanks.

On SlCamp:StyleSheet it says

 @import url(http://sheep.art.pl/oddmuse-styles/mattis-1.0.0/mattis.css);

while on the WineCampFr:StyleSheet there is

 @import url(http://sheep.art.pl/oddmuse-styles/mattis/mattis.css);

which happens to be equivalent to

  @import url(http://sheep.art.pl/oddmuse-styles/mattis-1.0.1/mattis.css);

which is a newer version of the stylesheet, with the problem fixed (the old version is still available, because the new one requires a relatively new version of oddmuse).

I’d suggest to change both of them to

 @import url(http://styles.sheep.art.pl/mattis/mattis.css);

as per this advice.

– RadomirDopieralski?


2007-08-09 Talk

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Tagging extension now active on all hives. – SamRose?

MattisManzel?:
Thanks Sam!


2007-07-07 Talk

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Trying out the question asker as a measure to deal with spam on OBM – SamRose?

MattisManzel?:
Hello Sam. Checking if I can save on this wiki now. Works, cool thanks!

WorldDemocracy:FrontPage is still locked though. Else all run fine.

Unlocked with ?action=unlock (which you may also do on any OddMuse? wiki, if you want to) – SamRose?

MattisManzel?:
This one is useful to know! Thanks. How simple it can be (sometimes). :)


2007-05-13 Talk

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SamRose?:
Ok, learned that part of the problem was indeed site scraping bots, which are currrently all redirected from this server. But the biggest problem, which happened at the same time, was a hardware failure on the machine this server was on. My provider moved the server to another machine, and now all of the issues that the site had been experiencing for days have disappeared. My VPS provider told me the problem was a memory failure on the machine. So, hopefully all issues are now resolved.

MattisManzel?:
Great, Sam. Thanks for your persistance. It would have been pretty silly to change all the urls. Four hives on three different machines feels better. :)


2007-05-11 Talk

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SamRose?:
Sorry about spammers continuing to crash Main and ObmWikiCenterEn? wikis. I am still determined to figure out how and why this happens and prevent it if possible (or move to gridserver). I believe at this time that it is due to how many times the script is invoked for different things, such as css snippets. Plus, they are hitting the wiki with multiple requests at the same time. Another option is that I may back up this whole hive, then take it down temporarily and install lighthttpd and fastcgi on this server, and keep the url in tact. Also, if I move to the gridserver, I will figure out how to map domain so that links will not need to be changed. Yet another option is to try out the Static Hybrid Module.

Update:

Banned the IP range for the Chinese bot, and everything is back to normal again :).

Update again:

Hmm, another round of bots, this time Google, MSNSearch, and Yahoo Slurp. Looks like it’s bot search day. access log shows that this is the largest problem with crashing wiki. Currently, OBM hive server only has 128MB of ram. So, I am redirecting all search engine bots away from OBM Hive via robots.txt file:

http://socialsynergyweb.net/robots.txt

 #go away
 User-agent: *
 Disallow: /

This tells all crawlers and bots to skip the whole server. This will lower google and other page rank and search results. In the meantime I’ll look into how to set up robots.txt to allow crawling without killing all the wikis.


2007-05-07 Talk

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SamRose?:

I am thinking about moving OBM to the same sever that kabo is on. This would change url. But, I think that the gridserver can handle the spammers better without crashing the wiki all of the time.

I haven’t made up my mind yet. But, if I can’t solve the crashing problem within a couple of weeks, I think I am going to go ahead with it. What do you think Mattis?

MattisManzel?:
Good the main wiki is back, I couldn’t enter it for a day or two. Moving the obm-wiki-hive would be some days of changing links, np if for good purpose, I mean. Do it as seems appropriate to you, Sam.

SamRose?:

Also, if you get locked out again, just use ?action=unlock. It keeps staying locked because the spammers are somehow crashing the the script, with multiple OpenProxy? -edit attempts. I guess I’ll hold off for now on moving it. See if instead I can figure out how to solve the problem here.


2007-05-03 Talk

full-changes
This will be a lot of fun, apart from its usability.

MattisManzel?:
oddwiki-hive / sand-diki, every contribution provides a feed. You can then build a page full-changes - the changes with every full contribution attached, all the recent stuff on one page, ha! This will be a lot of fun, apart from its usability.

Sam, yo. Alex said it can’t be done on oddwiki. I suppose I need a hive for it. This will rock totally, I swear!
It’s gonna be the diki-hive, wiki rules ok anyhow and can take such.
Something has to be set up differently, I don’t remenber what. Gotta read back into it.

“Communities” - “inner” ones, temoporary centered around a page - could connect to other “inner” temporary communities for a while displaying all the full changes to the topic on one chrologically ordered page, newest contribution on top. Remember WikiSpam?? All changes to it in wikilandia on one page, imagine.

SamRose?:

http://s4560.gridserver.com/cgi-bin/diki/HomePage there is your diki hive. I simply copied the modules directory from kabo, so it does nto have to have languages, etc. Can easily add or remove any modules you want

2007-04-30 Talk

MattisManzel?:
Sam, searching for a solution for the confusion your friend reported about the main-wiki a different css is the wrong way, I think. I’d rather reduce the main-wiki but leave the css that also the center-wikis use. Maybe making the main-wiki really multilingual and else as reduced from contents as possible is the better way? I might try that on kabo, which is more multilingual centered anyway. The main-wiki is the intake of the WikiCarburator?. On the long run “contents” - except fast air - is misplaced in it. If this gets big, I mean. No hurry, let’s first see how a multilingual main-wiki on kabo performs.

Rather important is the tarball of all obm-wikis. It would feel much better with a cd closeby. We have spam load now, yes. ;)

SamRose?:

Mattis, I respectfully have to totally disagree with you about the css. The feedback I have received from very many people, some who are very familiar with wikis, such as BayleShanks?, and others who have been designing websites and web interfaces for years, is almost unanimous that the TheSheep? bliki css is too confusing for anything but a blog. This includes TheSheep? himself, who made the actual css.

I have written down the website address for people locally, and asked them to take a look, and they have called me, emailed me, or instant messaged me and complained about not knowing where to begin. So, I know for a fact that people are immediately turned off by the interface. Plus, I already know from working with clients that many people are confused by wiki in general. So, I don’t want to create a layers of turn offs, and I am convinced from direct feedback, from everyone I’ve asked for feedback specifically telling me that the interface is making it so that they don’t feel comfortable using, reading, understanding, editing, navigating the site. TheSheep? css is great for arranging wiki content into a blog-like format, such as I have done for about a year to SocialSynergy:FrontPage. However, one size definitely does not fit all, and it is not good for presenting complex readable, findable, useable content, especially for people who are not WikiLiterate? (which is most people). And the WikiHiveStructure? of wiki centers, etc, should not be arbitrarily forced upon every WikiHive?. I think that the structure, and the user interface, should fit the needs of the people expected to use the system. So, WikiHivStructure? should be flexible, and open to change, catered to the actual problems that the people who are using it are trying to solve. Therefore, it cannot by default be the exactly the same for every WikiHive?.

I am ok with keeping the centers, and keeping the css on the centers, and I am ok with keeping the WikiList, and the css on the WikiList.

I want to be able to give you the ability to experiment with, and build a workable, real world models for WikiHive? structure. But, I think that I’ve gotten enough conclusive feedback to absolutely determine that TheSheep? css is not the right tool for the job of presenting a front page. In the case of OBM WikiHive?, the “Main Wiki” absolutely must be a wiki that contains content, because I don’t want to make people have to dig through many layers of wikis, plus many layers of pages within individual wikis, just to see what is happening. Plus, the research that I have done, both on my own, and with Stanford University, into the many different ways that people use wikis, and into InformationArchitecture?, has shown me that there are many possible combinations of “structure” of communities. The WikiHiveStructure? that we have at OddWiki?, and kabo-wiki-hive is just one possibility.

Here’s some facts for both wiki and non wiki websites, about how people on average will view and use them:

I think that on the main wiki, that using a “Contents” helps, because I know from working with clients setting up tools online, that page cues, like table of contents, and page numbers, help people retain knowledge. This is confirmed by useablity studies done by Stanford University with students and adults for a number of years. Contents, and easy menus aid people who are scanning the site. So, since I am referring most people to the main wiki, I am designing that wiki for easy scanning, findabilitym useability, navigability, and credibility.

The way that I envisioned OBM wiki hive as a KnowledgeCommons? is:

http://obmwiki.org/hive/download/obmdiagram.png

The MainWiki? is a TheoryBuilding? wiki, for general theoretical OpenBusinessModel? concepts, and for early ideas about models. Other wikis are “support” wikis, to support the online community of people using the hive. And then “project” wikis are wikis that try to apply the theory to real world projects. Such as ExtinctionLevelEvent? wiki, or Sloganeer wiki.

Backups

I need to set up the “BikiniAtollHive?” to test scripts on. In the meantime, I have server-side backups every other day, plus local backups to a disk, every other day. I was doing this bi-weekly, but I have switched to every other day.

MattisManzel?:
Sam, thanks for the long answer. Sorry for trolling your time, it helps me to understand, that takes a minute (or two) occasionally. I agree that there isn’t a perfect recipe and that one has to experiment to see what really happens and I’ll read the links you provided (after shopping). I’m perfectly fine with trying it the way you envision it on obm. I want it to work and if it does that way, even better. I started to multi-lingualize the kabo main wiki. Let’s just see what way turns out with what results. It’s fun to work with you, man. Sorry for over-worrying now and then.

Backups every other day seems appropriate to me with our current spam load and relaxes me.

SamRose?:

Well, the thing is, my little theory is that for a wiki hive that is not organized around a central purpose, like OddWiki? hive, I think that the WikiHiveStructure? you’ve come up with will work really well. Because, the hive structure is really just a support structure: a central place to meet, get messages from server admins and community advocates, to list and document the community, etc. On a hive with no central purpose, or mutliple purposes, this structure is like a town hall type of thing. And, I agree in this case not to use the main wiki as a content wiki, because it exists in that case to direct people to resources.

Anyway, thank you for understanding. And, thanks for all of the work you’ve put into these wikis. We still need to build some templates to make it easier for you to launch a WikiHive? without having to manually type everything, so that we can just use WikiCopy? to fill in the WikiList, the centers, and so on.

Also, I talked with Xtof yesterday via Skype, and we set up MicroFormateurs:HomePage, and MicroFormats:HomePage, to develop MicroFormats? and css that works with MicroFormats? for OddMuse?, and style sheets for WordPress? blog, and other MicroFormats? projects.

Main:FrontPage wiki now has these StyleSheet? elements for re-“tag”, rel-“hCard”, and rel-“license”. More to come!

2007-04-27 Talk

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SamRose?: Major apologies, lost some pages due to an attempt to create an automated script that updates pages. Was able to restore up to Apr 14 2007. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

MattisManzel?:
Well, it’s written on the t-shirts. No problem, Sam. The earlier such happens the less we loose. WeltDemokratie:StirnSeite is over yonder?

SamRose?:

I’ve learned my lesson. I will set up a whole different “Sand” wiki hive to test scripts on from now on.

Maybe I’ll call it “BikiniAtollWikiHive?”, after the island where they tested nuclear bombs?

MattisManzel?:
Yo, Bikini-wiki-hive! Bikini, that masterpiece of PR fascism, boobs in the header, please. Alex has “something” - no idea what - to test scripts without executing them - as far as I mean to have understood anything on #oddmuse. ;)

youtube: Bikini Atoll 1946

2007-04-03 Talk

“offers / requests” pages on the center-wikis or on the main-wiki? Or on both?

MattisManzel?:
ImportRequestPages ExportOfferPages WikiNetRequests (or WikiNetRequestsAndOffers? ?) - I’m not sure if translated day-page sets on the different center wikis are better or if only one - multilingual - day-page set on the main-wiki is better. That’s a bit thought in the future, but likely we’ll need both, I think. Imagine two dozens of hives and being automatically notified when another hive starts to watch the ExportOffers of the hive you work on (that needs a wiki-net server, yes).

2007-03-29 Talk

For obm, I’ve installed mattis/TheSheep? css at

(will do the same for kabo soon)

this should speed up loading a little, and have one less point of failure, should university servers go down. When Ihave a chance, I’ll update all of the existing wikis. It should not have any effect on them. – SamRose?

Ok, now also realize that some of the graphic elements need to be transfered and adjusted to make local css work. So, will hold off on using until I sort through that.

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